1 00:00:05,020 --> 00:00:02,869 this is Jim semivan and you are 2 00:00:09,710 --> 00:00:05,030 listening to that UFO podcast 3 00:00:15,169 --> 00:00:12,530 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 4 00:00:17,029 --> 00:00:15,179 podcast I have a guest with me making a 5 00:00:19,310 --> 00:00:17,039 second appearance on the show I'm 6 00:00:21,470 --> 00:00:19,320 delighted to be joined by science editor 7 00:00:24,349 --> 00:00:21,480 and head science writer at the debrief 8 00:00:26,570 --> 00:00:24,359 also a safe self-professed nerd 9 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:26,580 published author and all-around good guy 10 00:00:30,589 --> 00:00:28,800 Chris playing Chris welcome back hey 11 00:00:32,089 --> 00:00:30,599 thanks for having me on again Andy it's 12 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:32,099 pleasure 13 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:34,020 no it's a good to have you back on 14 00:00:38,150 --> 00:00:36,420 listen and we got thrown into a little 15 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:38,160 bit of disarray didn't we in minutes 16 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:40,860 minutes before we were due to record the 17 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:43,620 long delayed awaited 18 00:00:48,889 --> 00:00:46,559 rumored myth prophesized about UFO 19 00:00:52,850 --> 00:00:48,899 report that was due October 31st has 20 00:00:53,990 --> 00:00:52,860 dropped uh 12th of January 2023 so I 21 00:00:56,330 --> 00:00:54,000 think we kind of have to start there 22 00:00:59,209 --> 00:00:56,340 Chris don't we um we've got to caveat 23 00:01:01,250 --> 00:00:59,219 that by saying we've both had one run 24 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:01,260 through of the report it's it's pretty 25 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:04,799 limited as as many expected it covers 12 26 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:07,680 Pages if you open up the PDF but bear in 27 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:09,780 mind the first page is the front cover 28 00:01:15,469 --> 00:01:12,299 there's in a table of contents which is 29 00:01:17,929 --> 00:01:15,479 the the second page and then the last 30 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:17,939 few pages are some reason appendixes 31 00:01:24,109 --> 00:01:22,259 glossary terms and all of that yep yeah 32 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:24,119 um I'm going to say straight off the bat 33 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:25,860 just looking and we're talking now half 34 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:28,380 an hour worth of reaction online it 35 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:31,439 seems to be underwhelming or what was 36 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:33,540 expected depending on what side of the 37 00:01:37,969 --> 00:01:35,340 fence you're gonna fell down on is that 38 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:37,979 fair from what you've seen yeah I think 39 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:39,360 um 40 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:42,720 it's so similar to the first report in 41 00:01:48,109 --> 00:01:44,759 the sense that it's like here's what 42 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:48,119 we're doing here's our duties and we've 43 00:01:52,609 --> 00:01:50,100 had X number of cases I think there was 44 00:01:53,929 --> 00:01:52,619 over 500 that they referenced in this 45 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:53,939 report and 46 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:55,979 this many have been resolved this many 47 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:59,640 haven't or at least categorized into a 48 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:01,979 potentially resolved category 49 00:02:07,150 --> 00:02:04,439 I think that's all pretty perfunctory I 50 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:07,160 think we're still looking for 51 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:13,860 either you know videos photos or uh you 52 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:16,500 know specific conclusions on things and 53 00:02:20,570 --> 00:02:19,080 I I still felt like it was really thin 54 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:20,580 on any of that obviously there was no 55 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:22,440 videos or photos at all 56 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:25,980 and I do is that realistic though is it 57 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:28,080 to expect photos and videos in one of 58 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:30,000 these reports from the unclassified 59 00:02:34,130 --> 00:02:31,800 version anyway are we really going to 60 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:34,140 get that you know uh when they did that 61 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,020 uh the the one press conference on it 62 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:39,840 they showed that real brief video or 63 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:41,340 whatever that a lot of people you know 64 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:43,560 we all kind of said was garbage there 65 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:46,200 wasn't much to it I think maybe some 66 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:48,239 hopes got up including mine that we 67 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:50,280 might see something like that I still 68 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:52,140 feel like 69 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:53,700 um and this was something I was going to 70 00:02:57,949 --> 00:02:55,379 discuss regardless of whether the report 71 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:57,959 came out I still feel like there's been 72 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:01,739 a uh a data bubble uh uh that's been 73 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:03,480 building with this 74 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:05,220 you know Chris melons and these other 75 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:07,200 types coming out constantly indicating 76 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:09,420 that there's better foot video and 77 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:12,540 better photos and things like that and 78 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:16,260 none of that leaking out I mean really 79 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:18,180 if you think about the dawn of the 80 00:03:24,290 --> 00:03:20,220 debrief and the discussion of the 81 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:24,300 triangle photo which was two years and a 82 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:25,620 month ago 83 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:29,220 it doesn't really feel like any at least 84 00:03:34,330 --> 00:03:31,800 government capture data has been 85 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:34,340 released there hasn't been any 86 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:38,700 yet constant talk of more video and more 87 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:41,280 photos and better photos and 88 00:03:46,850 --> 00:03:44,459 you know now since then elizondo's 89 00:03:48,589 --> 00:03:46,860 credibility has been cast into doubt a 90 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:48,599 lot of these other the people that were 91 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:51,420 championed that data have been cast into 92 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:53,940 doubt so in many ways 93 00:03:59,030 --> 00:03:56,220 we've kind of Fallen back into the gray 94 00:04:01,490 --> 00:03:59,040 Zone that the UFO topic has been in for 95 00:04:02,809 --> 00:04:01,500 so long while at the same time making a 96 00:04:05,630 --> 00:04:02,819 lot of progress we have government 97 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:05,640 offices looking at it and NASA looking 98 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:08,819 at it and Avi lobe type projects and you 99 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:10,980 know there's in one hand there feels 100 00:04:15,170 --> 00:04:13,260 like there's so much new going on 101 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:15,180 and in the other hand when I look at 102 00:04:18,289 --> 00:04:17,100 this report today and I look at the 103 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:18,299 summary 104 00:04:25,189 --> 00:04:20,760 you know I think about the Twining Memo 105 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:25,199 from 1947 or project uh sign from 1948 106 00:04:28,969 --> 00:04:27,720 where they're kind of saying the same 107 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:28,979 thing like 108 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:31,860 people are seeing stuff flying around we 109 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:35,340 can't identify all of it some of it may 110 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:37,800 be exhibiting unusual flight 111 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:39,600 characteristics 112 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:41,699 as a matter of fact in the last report I 113 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,380 thought we got more detail on that I 114 00:04:48,370 --> 00:04:45,840 thought they broke it down to 115 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:48,380 if I remember right there were 21 116 00:04:52,749 --> 00:04:50,880 incidents that were broken down in the 117 00:04:55,610 --> 00:04:52,759 last report is potentially 118 00:04:58,010 --> 00:04:55,620 displaying anomalous or unusual flight 119 00:05:00,170 --> 00:04:58,020 characteristics and this one just kind 120 00:05:02,990 --> 00:05:00,180 of said ah there's some of those 121 00:05:05,629 --> 00:05:03,000 so uh it didn't really even give us a 122 00:05:08,629 --> 00:05:05,639 number on them this time 123 00:05:10,909 --> 00:05:08,639 so on the I get what you mean with 2022 124 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:10,919 I think there was a lot of progress and 125 00:05:15,290 --> 00:05:12,720 a lot of regression it seemed at times 126 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:15,300 people like Louis zondo Chris melon and 127 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:17,040 others who had been quite prevalent for 128 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:18,180 a couple of years 129 00:05:22,249 --> 00:05:20,820 took a step back maybe not in terms of 130 00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:22,259 what they're doing because many would 131 00:05:25,129 --> 00:05:23,639 say they're still working hard in the 132 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:25,139 background still a lot going on but like 133 00:05:29,689 --> 00:05:27,300 you say I think with a lot of the the 134 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:29,699 chatter online they just decided enough 135 00:05:32,689 --> 00:05:31,320 was enough and let's just go back to 136 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:32,699 doing the work in the background and you 137 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:34,440 can't blame them for some of the some of 138 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:36,720 the heat they got but like you say it 139 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:38,699 they're saying this void isn't there of 140 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:40,860 people throwing questions which they 141 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:43,080 don't have to answer but it kind of left 142 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,580 that Gap and I'd like to think they're 143 00:05:48,409 --> 00:05:46,620 going to come back in 2023 at some point 144 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:48,419 and make the triumphant return to kind 145 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:49,860 of answer some of those questions but 146 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:51,960 also help address maybe some of the 147 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:53,340 issues people have not with them 148 00:05:57,469 --> 00:05:55,620 necessarily but with these reports the 149 00:05:59,570 --> 00:05:57,479 lack of information I'm sure Chris 150 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:59,580 Mellon who we can refer to as one of 151 00:06:02,990 --> 00:06:00,960 your colleagues because he writes it the 152 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:03,000 debrief now and again doesn't he Chris 153 00:06:05,990 --> 00:06:04,380 Mill and I would love to see one of his 154 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:06,000 articles published on this and what his 155 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:07,560 thoughts are I'm sure he's had that 156 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:09,780 ready to go and he's just hovering his 157 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:11,160 finger over the inner button just now 158 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:13,320 and again to pick up what you mentioned 159 00:06:17,090 --> 00:06:15,120 about the report being very much similar 160 00:06:19,129 --> 00:06:17,100 to the first report we got in 2021 161 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:19,139 you've got Star Wars was posted in the 162 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:20,400 background which many of the YouTube 163 00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:22,440 viewers can see the Star Wars poster for 164 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:24,240 those listening on audio there's a Star 165 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:25,979 Wars but is it Revenge of the Sith it's 166 00:06:33,170 --> 00:06:29,880 it's actually revention which was the 167 00:06:36,290 --> 00:06:33,180 original name of the 1983 movie Return 168 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:36,300 to the Jedi and uh these exclusive 169 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:38,340 posters went out to fan club members 170 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:42,960 which I was back in 1983 and uh then 171 00:06:46,610 --> 00:06:44,400 they changed the title because somebody 172 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:46,620 pointed out to George Lucas that uh 173 00:06:51,710 --> 00:06:48,780 Jedis are good guys and they don't get 174 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:51,720 revenge so they ended up changing it to 175 00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:54,660 Return of the Jedi so yes it's a it's a 176 00:07:00,529 --> 00:06:57,479 limited edition collectible poster one 177 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:00,539 of the few limited edition anything nice 178 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:02,940 I love that a dropping dropping movie 179 00:07:07,010 --> 00:07:05,160 bombs on here I like that what it 180 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:07,020 reminded me of though is that many 181 00:07:11,809 --> 00:07:09,539 people said the episode seven uh a force 182 00:07:14,629 --> 00:07:11,819 awakens the newer of the trilogy the 183 00:07:16,730 --> 00:07:14,639 newer Trilogy was just a repeat of A New 184 00:07:19,249 --> 00:07:16,740 Hope and it was very similar almost 185 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:19,259 almost a remake and I think the the 186 00:07:24,409 --> 00:07:22,020 report to bring it back to UFOs it seems 187 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:24,419 like they've retread that ground and the 188 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:26,099 new team that's been involved in making 189 00:07:30,770 --> 00:07:28,740 the new report Dr Sean Kirkpatrick and 190 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:30,780 others they've had to come in and start 191 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:33,120 from square one so as much as the report 192 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:36,000 that came out in 2021 in June like you 193 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:37,440 say probably had a bit more information 194 00:07:41,749 --> 00:07:40,380 and maybe we're thinking of that extra 195 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:41,759 stuff that got released through John 196 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:43,080 Greenwald and others on their fire 197 00:07:46,490 --> 00:07:44,460 requests 198 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:46,500 these guys have had to go again and go 199 00:07:50,210 --> 00:07:48,000 okay here's what we've managed to put 200 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:50,220 for the groundwork and as they say 201 00:07:53,870 --> 00:07:51,599 within the report going forward 202 00:07:56,270 --> 00:07:53,880 quarterly there will be the updates 203 00:07:58,309 --> 00:07:56,280 again you can't guarantee what kind of 204 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:58,319 quality is going to come from those you 205 00:08:02,089 --> 00:07:59,520 mentioned numbers some of the numbers 206 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:02,099 that are in this report is that there 207 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:05,340 are 366 reports 208 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:08,039 um or incidents been reported since the 209 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:10,800 last report some of those are actually 210 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:14,220 predating the June 2021 report but they 211 00:08:18,409 --> 00:08:15,840 weren't included in that report at the 212 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:18,419 time so they could be before then 213 00:08:22,189 --> 00:08:20,400 um so overall that means since these 214 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:22,199 reports were asked to be made there's 215 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:26,220 over 510 or a total of 366 in the new 216 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:28,440 one we don't see any information really 217 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:31,199 at all on those other than of those 218 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:34,380 reports that 53 are characterized as 219 00:08:38,949 --> 00:08:36,240 unremarkable 220 00:08:41,290 --> 00:08:38,959 they don't really then talk about the 47 221 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:41,300 that would be 222 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:44,700 remarkable because yeah yeah it's not 223 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:46,380 unfairly see is it but again that's not 224 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:47,880 to say that's not remarkable Chinese 225 00:08:52,730 --> 00:08:50,640 drones a remarkable Russian dolls or 226 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:52,740 remarkable US tech that's accidentally 227 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:54,779 been discovered by its own air force or 228 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:56,880 navy but there's still that potential 229 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:58,560 that there's some interesting stuff in 230 00:09:01,430 --> 00:08:59,279 there 231 00:09:02,750 --> 00:09:01,440 is it likely that's what's then going to 232 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:02,760 be in the classified version of this 233 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:04,800 report they get to see some of that more 234 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:06,480 interesting stuff that would be my guess 235 00:09:11,389 --> 00:09:08,580 that would be the the key difference 236 00:09:14,570 --> 00:09:11,399 between the unclassified and classified 237 00:09:17,389 --> 00:09:14,580 versions and again I'm this is not 238 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:17,399 exactly my area of expertise but I've 239 00:09:21,769 --> 00:09:19,860 already been in the chat with Tim 240 00:09:23,870 --> 00:09:21,779 McMillan and Micah Hanks and the rest of 241 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:23,880 the debrief crew since this report came 242 00:09:30,470 --> 00:09:26,700 out and that is the impression I get 243 00:09:34,610 --> 00:09:30,480 that also uh they mentioned uh Airborne 244 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:34,620 clutter and uh Tim thought that the way 245 00:09:38,449 --> 00:09:36,600 they worded it and again I don't want to 246 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:38,459 put words in his mouth but we were just 247 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:40,740 discussing this before I came on air 248 00:09:45,769 --> 00:09:43,260 that those might represent 249 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:45,779 um electronic signal Gathering 250 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:48,899 electronic intelligence or uh yeah 251 00:09:54,769 --> 00:09:52,260 exactly he called it massant uh you know 252 00:09:57,769 --> 00:09:54,779 uh sort of gathering so 253 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:57,779 I think that's the stuff that they're 254 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:58,980 always going to get in the classified 255 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:01,680 report that we don't get is here's the 256 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:03,660 advanced sensors or the advanced 257 00:10:07,670 --> 00:10:05,700 detection equipment that the military 258 00:10:11,570 --> 00:10:07,680 doesn't want to disclose that they're 259 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:11,580 using to gather data on potential enemy 260 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:14,339 military platforms or whatever 261 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:16,680 and that it's picking this sort of stuff 262 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:19,680 up so that would be my main guess would 263 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:22,740 be yeah they're getting more detail on 264 00:10:30,889 --> 00:10:28,140 the uh the the 47 percent and then more 265 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:30,899 detail on the advanced sensors and 266 00:10:35,930 --> 00:10:34,260 advanced systems that are being used and 267 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:35,940 you know the the thing I always point 268 00:10:39,650 --> 00:10:37,620 out to people I say you know as a 269 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:39,660 science writer 270 00:10:45,230 --> 00:10:42,420 I write on amazing things that are done 271 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:45,240 civilian wise for instance I wrote one 272 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:48,360 story about a team from MIT using high 273 00:10:54,050 --> 00:10:51,300 energy particles to scan the inside of 274 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,060 the pyramid and the Great Pyramid of 275 00:10:59,750 --> 00:10:56,880 Giza and the reason that's applicable I 276 00:11:02,509 --> 00:10:59,760 think in this situation is there are 277 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:02,519 ways that science people sit around and 278 00:11:06,829 --> 00:11:04,980 think about using information that's 279 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:06,839 available that just other people don't 280 00:11:11,449 --> 00:11:09,120 think about so if you think of the 281 00:11:15,069 --> 00:11:11,459 massive budgets we pour into this stuff 282 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:15,079 in the U.S and into our our military 283 00:11:20,449 --> 00:11:17,820 God only knows what some of those 284 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:20,459 sensors do God only knows what some of 285 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:22,800 the systems I mean you can you can 286 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:25,260 guesstimate more advanced types of uh 287 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:28,200 underwater detection and sonar grids or 288 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:31,800 things like that but there are ways to 289 00:11:36,170 --> 00:11:33,260 detect information 290 00:11:38,810 --> 00:11:36,180 that are you know are 291 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:38,820 would probably reveal a significant 292 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:42,420 amount about the nature of UAP that 293 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:43,860 would give a lot more information 294 00:11:48,829 --> 00:11:46,800 because of these Advanced data 295 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:48,839 collection so I think that's the stuff 296 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:50,160 people would get in the classified 297 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:52,019 reports 298 00:11:56,630 --> 00:11:54,600 I I unfortunately think it might be 299 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:56,640 something for the history books as far 300 00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:00,420 as you know ever finding out what that 301 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:02,880 sort of data is and what those tools are 302 00:12:08,569 --> 00:12:05,700 people often talk about 303 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:08,579 the U.S revealing the the stealth 304 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:10,380 fighter and the stealth bomber during 305 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:13,140 the Gulf War and that kind of being the 306 00:12:19,009 --> 00:12:16,440 last that's 30 years ago and that's the 307 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:19,019 last time we really gotta hey here's a 308 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:21,000 really cool secret military technology 309 00:12:26,509 --> 00:12:23,760 we've been working on for 30 years and 310 00:12:29,630 --> 00:12:26,519 we're going to let you all see it and uh 311 00:12:33,170 --> 00:12:29,640 it's not something we get very often and 312 00:12:35,329 --> 00:12:33,180 if anything with you know the rise of 313 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:35,339 China and with the issues with the 314 00:12:40,730 --> 00:12:38,100 Russia now I think we're less likely 315 00:12:42,769 --> 00:12:40,740 than ever to be told hey here's the 316 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,779 really cool toys we have and here's the 317 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:45,240 type of data they collect 318 00:12:49,629 --> 00:12:47,700 I think the the rise of China was Star 319 00:12:52,250 --> 00:12:49,639 Wars episode 8 yes 320 00:12:54,110 --> 00:12:52,260 yeah yeah 321 00:12:56,449 --> 00:12:54,120 um what was interesting from the report 322 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:56,459 and I suppose this is me forgive me 323 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:58,320 folks that I'm really scraping the 324 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:00,000 battle here for interesting being the 325 00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,339 word but they do list the number of 326 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:04,320 Agents they name the agencies that have 327 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:06,240 been involved in the data collection 328 00:13:11,930 --> 00:13:08,880 um including the the DIA the nro the NGA 329 00:13:14,269 --> 00:13:11,940 the NSA NASA the department of energy 330 00:13:16,069 --> 00:13:14,279 and and many many more 331 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:16,079 some of those obviously stand out and 332 00:13:19,730 --> 00:13:17,760 like when you mention those sensors do 333 00:13:22,250 --> 00:13:19,740 you see things like geospatial sensors 334 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:22,260 and you talk about why some of these 335 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:24,360 can't be can't be discussed I I remember 336 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:26,820 speaking to Gary Vorhees Patrick Hughes 337 00:13:30,590 --> 00:13:28,800 and Kevin day and they mentioned in 338 00:13:34,910 --> 00:13:30,600 terms of the Nimitz Princeton incident 339 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:34,920 2004 that there was a an organization on 340 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:37,800 the coast which has sensors that are 341 00:13:41,930 --> 00:13:40,139 looking for essentially missiles coming 342 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:41,940 in and approaching the U.S coastline 343 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,820 that picked up the Tic Tacs so again 344 00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:46,320 that's not something they're going to 345 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:48,000 come out though and say oh yeah we'll 346 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:49,380 give you our information while we're 347 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:51,480 looking for ballistic InterContinental 348 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:53,160 missiles that could hit the US and how 349 00:13:57,769 --> 00:13:55,740 we how we how we detect those and you do 350 00:14:00,170 --> 00:13:57,779 what we might have so that kind of stuff 351 00:14:02,569 --> 00:14:00,180 is never going to come out but it's 352 00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:02,579 interesting those organizations how much 353 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:05,279 input they had is also up for Up For 354 00:14:08,690 --> 00:14:06,899 Debate because it could literally be 355 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:08,700 trying Kirkpatrick sending an email to 356 00:14:12,650 --> 00:14:11,279 someone at Nasa NASA sending back a zip 357 00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:12,660 file saying here you go here's some 358 00:14:16,129 --> 00:14:13,980 stuff I've got have a look through it 359 00:14:17,569 --> 00:14:16,139 and then that's that's part of the study 360 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:17,579 however it could be a lot more than that 361 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,260 but we just don't know so it's 362 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:21,360 interesting and at least encouraging to 363 00:14:25,850 --> 00:14:23,160 see that all these organizations 364 00:14:28,250 --> 00:14:25,860 are involved and they are being looked 365 00:14:29,810 --> 00:14:28,260 at but for Sean Kirkpatrick and Co it's 366 00:14:32,750 --> 00:14:29,820 been about six months 367 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:32,760 it's a lot to ask them to put together a 368 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:35,220 huge portfolio with all that information 369 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:37,079 and I'll go back to 370 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,660 to 2021 when we knew a report was coming 371 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,040 the first time 372 00:14:45,530 --> 00:14:43,199 people like Luella zondo and Chris melon 373 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:45,540 sat on mainstream news platforms telling 374 00:14:50,269 --> 00:14:48,240 people that it wasn't enough time six 375 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,279 months or a year wasn't enough time to 376 00:14:55,069 --> 00:14:52,320 put together a comprehensive report it 377 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:55,079 had to be two or three or four years 378 00:14:59,090 --> 00:14:56,760 to really put together something 379 00:15:00,829 --> 00:14:59,100 something meaty something that Congress 380 00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,839 and others could get their teeth into so 381 00:15:04,009 --> 00:15:02,639 people have to bear that in mind as well 382 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,019 that while it seems that we've been back 383 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,720 to square one from square one yeah well 384 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,360 it's the quarterly reports coming that 385 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:12,420 could see a lot I do think that that's 386 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:15,839 the potential good news here 387 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:22,670 The Grudge and led the blue book and if 388 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:26,220 you look at that Arc excuse me 389 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:29,339 that that was the the first effort was 390 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:31,500 almost informal it was just hey that 391 00:15:35,449 --> 00:15:33,420 these guys went to General Twining and 392 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:35,459 said get a bunch of science nerds 393 00:15:40,129 --> 00:15:37,920 together and figure out what people are 394 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:40,139 seeing in the air and they came back and 395 00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,560 said yes stuff is being seen it's if if 396 00:15:48,110 --> 00:15:45,839 I remember the terminology used in that 397 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:48,120 memo was it's not fictitious or 398 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,060 Visionary but it's a real phenomenon is 399 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:53,040 exhibiting anomalous flight 400 00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:55,800 characteristics and you know in many 401 00:16:03,050 --> 00:15:59,839 ways similar to that June 2021 report 402 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:03,060 that kind of just acknowledged okay 403 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:06,060 there's enough here to to to go ahead 404 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:08,220 and move forward and have an official 405 00:16:14,509 --> 00:16:10,860 program so now we have the official 406 00:16:16,850 --> 00:16:14,519 program arrow and arrows doing their 407 00:16:19,150 --> 00:16:16,860 chapter one you know they're going all 408 00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:19,160 right this is now the official effort 409 00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:22,560 here's our first chapter and it it 410 00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:25,380 references the 2021 and it references 411 00:16:29,329 --> 00:16:27,839 the original in incidents and then it 412 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:29,339 says here's all the new ones we've 413 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:32,040 looked at since but in many ways the 414 00:16:36,889 --> 00:16:34,980 report is here's our definition of terms 415 00:16:38,990 --> 00:16:36,899 it was almost like a legal document in 416 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:39,000 that way yeah here's the glossary of 417 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:40,380 terms 418 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:42,660 as you said here's the platforms that 419 00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:44,160 would that contributed or the 420 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:46,500 organizations that contributed 421 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:49,320 information uh I don't think we saw the 422 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:55,370 um actually one of the dimensions of the 423 00:17:01,009 --> 00:16:58,440 Air Force was that it was mainly reports 424 00:17:02,990 --> 00:17:01,019 from Navy and Air Force aviators and 425 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:03,000 operators so they're they're mentioned 426 00:17:06,770 --> 00:17:05,220 in terms of the reporting and where the 427 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:06,780 reports are coming from so those would 428 00:17:12,770 --> 00:17:09,120 most likely be like pilot reports then 429 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:12,780 yeah yeah I I think we're still what's 430 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:14,459 interesting you know Chris melon you 431 00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:15,900 referenced he wrote a piece for the 432 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:18,540 debrief a few months back asking where 433 00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:21,480 is the air force on this issue and what 434 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:25,860 he went into uh in that piece was all 435 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,260 the different types of technology and 436 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:30,799 systems available Satellite Systems 437 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,840 Advanced radar systems and and 438 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:35,280 everything that the Air Force 439 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:38,280 specifically has to 440 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:41,520 you know have domain dominance to have a 441 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,120 full information dominance of Aerospace 442 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:47,520 just at the edge of the atmosphere and 443 00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:49,860 all the way down to ground level and 444 00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,799 everything they have the these and the 445 00:17:57,770 --> 00:17:54,780 the point he made was how much they 446 00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,780 dwarf the capabilities of the Navy that 447 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,820 the Navy has a bunch of great technology 448 00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:02,340 and and has their own aviators and has 449 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:05,880 to uh to monitor the skies as well but 450 00:18:12,409 --> 00:18:09,960 they're a significant fraction uh of of 451 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:12,419 the capabilities 452 00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:16,080 are not the eyes of an Air Force pilot 453 00:18:19,690 --> 00:18:18,179 going hey I saw something weird flying 454 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:19,700 around that's worth 455 00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:22,500 categorizing and grabbing but the 456 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,360 follow-up to that the going back to the 457 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:26,700 Air Force and as you said say what it 458 00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,520 what did our missile launch analysis 459 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:31,919 system see what did our satellites see 460 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,220 what did our uh Advance electronic 461 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:38,400 intelligence sensors see so 462 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:40,740 I still think that 463 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,440 it one still gets the feeling that the 464 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,840 group most equipped 465 00:18:51,409 --> 00:18:48,480 to discuss this and to really feed 466 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:51,419 information to this office is still not 467 00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:53,400 doing that at least that's the 468 00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:55,559 impression I get so yeah as you said 469 00:19:00,669 --> 00:18:57,780 maybe some pilot reports 470 00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:00,679 but yeah my my initial reaction is 471 00:19:06,289 --> 00:19:04,380 you've still got you know the people who 472 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,299 were the were asking all the general 473 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:08,880 practitioners if it's cancer but the 474 00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:11,340 oncologist still isn't chiming in right 475 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:14,700 and that's their area of expertise so in 476 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:17,580 this particular case it still feels like 477 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:20,820 for what whatever reason the Air Force 478 00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:24,240 is not participating at least at a a 479 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:26,100 higher up level I do think it's 480 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,200 particularly encouraging the the groups 481 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:31,200 you pointed out the NOAA and NASA and 482 00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:33,660 these other ones are providing the 483 00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,340 information they have but again that 484 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,919 feels like more General Practitioners 485 00:19:42,289 --> 00:19:40,080 that feels like more people say we got a 486 00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,299 little bit of data over here we got a 487 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:44,039 little bit of data over there but the 488 00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:45,780 main group that one would really want to 489 00:19:52,029 --> 00:19:49,380 hear from that is their area to to uh to 490 00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:52,039 uh Patrol and and defend theoretically 491 00:19:57,289 --> 00:19:54,660 are not participating so that's the 492 00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:57,299 thing that jumps out to me I would also 493 00:20:02,029 --> 00:20:00,059 say that and just reiterate my initial 494 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:02,039 point which is it feels like this is 495 00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,340 their chapter one that that the the 2021 496 00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:07,919 was like a triage you know hey yes we 497 00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:09,539 definitely have a damaged patient here 498 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:11,640 let's get them in and then the 499 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:13,860 preliminary assessment actually done by 500 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:15,419 the the new group 501 00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,220 as you've pointed out and a lot of 502 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:19,679 people pointed out not a lot of time to 503 00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:23,100 do it not a very big group to do it one 504 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,100 one can be hopeful that 505 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:29,039 at least it's being taken seriously that 506 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,140 the report did actually finally come out 507 00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,120 I think that's significant in and of 508 00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,820 itself and that yeah they're they're 509 00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,919 listing incidents and they're still 510 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:39,720 saying 511 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:43,380 47 we don't know what they are and a 512 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,720 huge at least some percentage of these I 513 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:47,840 think they again mentioned 514 00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,160 anomalous or unconventional flight 515 00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:52,440 characteristics that's still in this 516 00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:56,880 report that hasn't been weeded out yet 517 00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:59,640 well Chris we often over it as literally 518 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:01,080 as it's dropped we've not had a long 519 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:02,520 time to look at it and a lot of dust 520 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,140 will settle no doubt people will find 521 00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,240 particular wording that may or may not 522 00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,679 have changed or something that was 523 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:09,720 interesting within it so we'll look 524 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,160 forward to that happening over the 525 00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:12,720 coming days I'll be doing a breakdown 526 00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:15,240 with Dan in the coming days as well or 527 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:16,919 it's already out depending when folks 528 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,120 hear this 529 00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:20,640 um like you say one positive is that 530 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,440 it's finally came out we waited for it 531 00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:24,960 for the last two months of 2022. it 532 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,460 caused a bit of infighting with some 533 00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:28,380 folks online and whatnot as as you can 534 00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:30,179 expect with you know the old interweb 535 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:33,539 these days but here we are in 2023 and 536 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:35,400 so at least that's a positive to kind of 537 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:38,280 kick off 2023 the reports here it's out 538 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,260 and we can move forward looking onto 539 00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,200 those quarterly reports I finished 2022 540 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,880 recording with your colleague Micah 541 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:47,039 Hanks and we looked at the the year in 542 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,780 review through different debrief 543 00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,880 articles it was really interesting so I 544 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:52,559 want to ask you first before we look at 545 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,080 2023 Chris what were some of your 546 00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:58,200 highlights of the past year I I'll do 547 00:22:01,490 --> 00:21:59,880 that let me just jump in here real quick 548 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,500 because you mentioned you're going to be 549 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,600 going through this report with people uh 550 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:06,000 with that I would you say Dr Clark I 551 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:07,140 think you're going to be going through 552 00:22:15,289 --> 00:22:13,789 yeah so um towards that end and I 553 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,299 mentioned this to you privately already 554 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:17,520 but uh the debrief is going to be doing 555 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,960 a uh a UFO Roundtable next week and it's 556 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,520 something we've talked about doing for a 557 00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:25,080 while we thought the report wouldn't be 558 00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:26,760 out by then so one of the things we were 559 00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,220 going to cover is why is it delayed and 560 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,679 what's going on as well but this is just 561 00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,840 a good time to sneak in and let you know 562 00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:36,419 that uh and let your audience know that 563 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:40,260 uh I believe next uh Thursday so 564 00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:43,500 essentially a week from today around the 565 00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,919 around I think a 10 11 A.M Pacific time 566 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,840 so about two Eastern here in the states 567 00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,840 uh we'll be jumping on I'll have Mike on 568 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:54,720 I'll have Tim McMillan on of Chrissy 569 00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,419 Newton on and she's got lots of 570 00:23:02,510 --> 00:22:59,280 interesting stuff about Jacques Valley's 571 00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:02,520 new book and elizondo's book and James 572 00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:06,120 Fox's movie he's working on Micah has a 573 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:07,980 lot and and I think that's what you just 574 00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:10,440 were kind of leading towards was stuff 575 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,299 that the debrief has covered in the last 576 00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:13,679 year 577 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,100 um which was uh you know uh FAA and uh 578 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,080 aiaa and other organizations kind of 579 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,679 getting involved in the process of at 580 00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,200 minimum Pilots having a way to report 581 00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,539 incidents that they're coming across and 582 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,580 civilians and Military both have in a 583 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:35,039 way so uh that's something we're going 584 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,580 to do next week and hopefully by then uh 585 00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:40,440 there will be a little more clarity on 586 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,299 this report and where things are going I 587 00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:44,760 know uh Micah was working on there 588 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,140 should be a feature coming out in the 589 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:48,780 debris here in the next couple hours and 590 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,799 he was working on this uh for weeks now 591 00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,200 in anticipation the report coming out so 592 00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:57,240 I can tell you that he's got a big 593 00:24:02,570 --> 00:23:59,159 feature on this new report he's been 594 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,580 reaching out to uh DOD and I believe 595 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,620 melon and Elizondo and some of these 596 00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,720 people too so hopefully we have some 597 00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:08,880 some tasty quotes to serve the people 598 00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:10,740 from the debrief 599 00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,299 um as far as last year uh 600 00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:17,280 you know we really got our footing at 601 00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,020 the debrief in a very interesting way 602 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,120 you know our numbers are up and you know 603 00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,980 the performance of the site in and of 604 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:25,799 itself and we found a really interesting 605 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:26,520 um 606 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,059 really interesting uh process has taken 607 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:33,840 place where the the science side and the 608 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,360 UFO side have have started to meet each 609 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:38,940 other in the middle a lot and I tell 610 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,580 people this all the time I say you know 611 00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:43,500 I write a lot of articles about the 612 00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:45,539 search for life in the cosmos or whether 613 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:49,559 it's a habitable exoplanets or a search 614 00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,299 for Life In The Clouds of Venus or 615 00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,580 things like that but as well as techno 616 00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:55,520 signatures the actual search for 617 00:25:01,370 --> 00:24:58,500 intelligent life with engineering and 618 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:01,380 and equipment and uh one of the big 619 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,000 highlights one of the things that came 620 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:05,760 out right here at the end of the year uh 621 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:09,240 was my piece on um uh the the group 622 00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:11,000 using the ligo 623 00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,760 telescope to look for uh warp Trails do 624 00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,159 you mind if I jump into that real quick 625 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,720 no that was going to be my first one 626 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,460 anyway so 627 00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,360 um 628 00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:22,799 it's really 629 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,470 operating on their follow-up paper but 630 00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,400 for your for your listeners in short 631 00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:34,980 this is what's going on 632 00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:38,520 so way back in 1916 Albert Einstein 633 00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,960 predicted that there would be something 634 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,299 called gravitational waves that things 635 00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,340 that were large enough had enough mass 636 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,500 or things that were warping space-time 637 00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:49,320 like a warp drive uh although he wasn't 638 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,380 thinking about warp drives in 1916 that 639 00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,960 would work space time and we should be 640 00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:57,120 able to detect that that using the right 641 00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:58,500 equipment we should be able to detect 642 00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:01,440 that it took a hundred years it wasn't 643 00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:06,059 until 2015 that this uh pair of lasers 644 00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,020 it's called the laser interferometer uh 645 00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,960 I forget uh I forget what Geo stands for 646 00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:14,940 always Observatory a gravitational 647 00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:18,360 Observatory so they have this laser all 648 00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:19,559 the way up in the northeast or 649 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,020 Northwestern corner of the U.S in 650 00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:23,760 Washington they have one all the way 651 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,020 down in the south east in Louisiana and 652 00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:30,900 they can point those at objects in space 653 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:33,539 and by measuring differences and changes 654 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:34,860 between those 655 00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:40,260 in 2015 they confirmed exactly what 656 00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:42,419 Einstein predicted a hundred years or in 657 00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,940 that case 99 years earlier 658 00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:48,000 the gravitational waves are a thing and 659 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,100 they did it by looking at two black 660 00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:52,140 holes crashing into each other so a 661 00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,659 place where gravity was so extreme it's 662 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:56,880 like okay if we're gonna pick it up 663 00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,700 we're gonna pick it up here but that 664 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,679 actually won the researchers the uh 665 00:27:06,769 --> 00:27:04,559 Nobel Prize I mean it was a really uh in 666 00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,779 physics it was a really really huge 667 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,120 Discovery and the reason it's 668 00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,640 significant for what for the search for 669 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,740 extraterrestrial life and in particular 670 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,320 the search for techno signatures like 671 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:20,640 alien spacecraft uh is because it's a 672 00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,580 brand new tool that seems perfectly 673 00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:25,799 equipped to do this particular type of 674 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:26,700 search 675 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:31,260 and so and the reason is this 676 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,700 so the the 677 00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:35,340 guy I spoke to is a guy named Johnny 678 00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:39,240 martire he's a runs a group called uh 679 00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:43,679 out of Sweden called uh applied physics 680 00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:45,779 and they're like a bell Labs they're a 681 00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:48,779 think tank that has over 30 physicists 682 00:27:54,370 --> 00:27:50,360 that work there 683 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,380 and what they do is they analyze 684 00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:56,880 Technologies for for Venture Capital 685 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,740 firms and things like that and determine 686 00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,960 the viability but one of the things 687 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:03,179 Johnny the the founder and his partner 688 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,140 Alexei bobrick did a year ago is they 689 00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,880 put out a paper on what they called a 690 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:10,320 physical warp drive I know I'm giving 691 00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:11,880 you a lot of background here but this is 692 00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,520 gonna no so they put out on a paper on 693 00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:15,960 something called a physical warp drive 694 00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,559 and basically their goal was to take the 695 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,600 theoretical warp drive that people like 696 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,480 Sunny light white or Miguel alcubieri or 697 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:26,720 some of these more famous uh uh 698 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,720 mathematicians put together and say what 699 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,120 would it take to build a real one like a 700 00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:36,000 physical is the term uh uh Johnny uses 701 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:37,799 with me all the time a physical warp 702 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,580 drive 703 00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:41,400 and they came up with a with a design 704 00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,279 that works at least from a mathematical 705 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:47,279 and theoretical standpoint but also 706 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,700 doesn't require any of the uh exotic 707 00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,520 matter or negative energy it doesn't 708 00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:55,559 have any of the what he calls the energy 709 00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,200 violations so it it's a sound plan 710 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,779 if we have the engineering know-how 711 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:06,539 to build a warp spacecraft and in 712 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,140 particular a sound plan on how any 713 00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,720 civilization whether they're on another 714 00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:14,940 planet or here on Earth would build one 715 00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:18,179 because the physics constrained the way 716 00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,520 as he pointed out whether if there was 717 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,520 water on Mars two billion years ago and 718 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,399 you had a boat on Mars it would be 719 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,559 shaped like boats on Earth because water 720 00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,960 is water and go traveling through water 721 00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,299 would have to be done with the shape of 722 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,159 a boat you wouldn't you wouldn't have a 723 00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:37,860 square boat or a you know a boat that's 724 00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:40,200 a bunch of stick it would be shaped like 725 00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:43,260 a boat hole so in the physics constrains 726 00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:44,460 that 727 00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:46,740 so after they put out their warp drive 728 00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,899 paper 729 00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:50,940 they went about doing their business and 730 00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:53,340 living their life and a few months ago 731 00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:57,500 they got contacted uh by these two 732 00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:01,980 researchers from CERN and one of them is 733 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,679 the associate dean of physics at 734 00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:07,260 Carnegie Mellon University so you know 735 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,000 people that know Chris Mellon and know 736 00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:11,520 that family name that's as prestigious a 737 00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:13,020 university as there is in the U.S 738 00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:16,380 Carnegie Mellon and so these really high 739 00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:19,260 up researchers that work on the CERN uh 740 00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:22,740 you know super collider they reached out 741 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:25,919 to Johnny and said hey we were reading 742 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,580 your paper about the physical warp drive 743 00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:32,399 and it occurred to us that if some if 744 00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,740 some civilization was using this type of 745 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:36,179 warp drive 746 00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,940 that we could detect it with ligo that 747 00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,520 the ligo observatory run by MIT and 748 00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,700 Caltech would actually pick it up and 749 00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,279 pick up the warp Trail 750 00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,980 um in space and then this this uh 751 00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,299 equipment we have would probably be 752 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:52,799 strong have you ever thought about doing 753 00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:53,820 that 754 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:56,039 and he was like no actually we haven't 755 00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,500 thought about that but they reached out 756 00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,360 to the people at ligo and they've been 757 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,120 working behind the scenes and have had a 758 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,559 positive reception and uh 759 00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:08,940 that's what they're in the process of 760 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,919 doing now I can I can only say so much 761 00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:12,840 but the point is they had a paper come 762 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,240 out and they have a part two paper and a 763 00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,760 part three paper showing the work that 764 00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:19,020 they're doing 765 00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,799 the data at ligo a lot of it is captured 766 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,500 and stored so they don't even need to go 767 00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,120 in and say hey will you point the 768 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,100 telescope here will you point it there 769 00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:31,799 they can just go in and dig through the 770 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:34,919 recorded data and look through the signs 771 00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:37,620 for the the telltale signs of a warp 772 00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:41,520 signature or a warp spacecraft in that 773 00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:45,899 data across the entire Milky Way so as 774 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:48,779 opposed to seti who's looking for radio 775 00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:52,159 waves or emissions and one little 776 00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:55,320 location in space at a time they got to 777 00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:56,940 point all the telescopes there and 778 00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:59,580 record the data and say did we see a 779 00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:01,559 radio transmission 780 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:04,740 this has the ability to scan massive 781 00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:07,980 areas and if there are these Telltale 782 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,520 signatures of a warp drive uh they 783 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:13,440 believe they will pick it up they will 784 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,960 they're actively going through that data 785 00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,480 now and the reason that's so exciting is 786 00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,520 because it's brand new we didn't you 787 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:22,799 know that that paper that Nobel Prize 788 00:32:29,049 --> 00:32:26,580 was in 2017 the research was in 2015. it 789 00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:29,059 was published in 2016 and the paper was 790 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,179 2017. so the ability to even use that 791 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:35,700 tool and to look for something like this 792 00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:38,840 is a brand new ability it's a brand new 793 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,360 uh hunt for techno signatures tool and 794 00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,640 system and the people that are talking 795 00:32:50,049 --> 00:32:47,520 to me about it that are doing it are 796 00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:50,059 legit high-end 797 00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,860 extremely reputable scientists as I said 798 00:32:56,289 --> 00:32:54,480 the one guy from Carnegie Mellon the 799 00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,299 other guy runs this massive Think Tank 800 00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:58,860 and they just happened to reach out to 801 00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:00,899 me to tell me about it because I wrote a 802 00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,539 paper on their work Theory a year and a 803 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,799 half ago and he says I don't know if 804 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,140 you'd be interested in this and of 805 00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:09,179 course you know obviously I did a whole 806 00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:10,740 feature on it and we've had multiple 807 00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,179 talks with them and uh uh he he he he 808 00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:17,820 won't give me anything concrete yet but 809 00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,580 he keeps teasing the possibility to me 810 00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:22,799 that when their next paper comes out 811 00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:25,919 sometime in the spring that they they're 812 00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:27,299 feeling like they might have some 813 00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,919 positive results 814 00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,200 and and 815 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,299 the one thing I will add to this the 816 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:35,220 example he used that I put in the 817 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,600 article 818 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,000 was imagine you're looking at a lake 819 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,000 from overhead you're looking down at a 820 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,840 cool Clear Lake and all of a sudden a 821 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,580 boat goes by 822 00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:51,120 and a swimmer goes by and then a jet ski 823 00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:52,320 goes by 824 00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:54,899 they're gonna leave patterns in the 825 00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,779 water they're gonna leave a wake pattern 826 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,720 behind them in the water that is water 827 00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:03,600 waves as opposed to gravitational waves 828 00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:06,840 but yeah using uh artificial 829 00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,240 intelligence and machine learning and 830 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,820 with enough experience you could look at 831 00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:14,399 that and just look at the Wake pattern 832 00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,000 and go ah that was the boat that was the 833 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:21,000 swimmer and that was the jet ski without 834 00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,460 actually seeing the boat the swimmer the 835 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:25,619 jet ski but just the Wake pattern they 836 00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:26,399 leave 837 00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:29,159 so that's the exact way they're going to 838 00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:31,859 be looking or are currently looking for 839 00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:35,099 the telltale signs of either a massive 840 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,280 spacecraft like the the they they term 841 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,460 their uh thing ramadar because of Arthur 842 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,159 C Clarke's rendezvous with Rama which 843 00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:46,800 had this massive spacecraft that's so 844 00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,879 big 845 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:50,220 even if it's traveling five ten percent 846 00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:51,899 the speed of light 847 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,659 it would create a gravitational wave 848 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:57,119 behind it because of its size well if 849 00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,160 you have a little ship relatively little 850 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:01,980 like the Starship Enterprise and it can 851 00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:04,980 go work Factor two work factor three and 852 00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,560 it's using a physical warp drive it's 853 00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:09,599 going to leave a wake pattern behind 854 00:35:15,310 --> 00:35:13,800 itself in gravitational waves so 855 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:15,320 basically 856 00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:18,560 we've been looking for techno signatures 857 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,320 with seti for 60 years and haven't 858 00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:24,960 picked them up this is a whole new tool 859 00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,300 to not just look for radio emissions but 860 00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:29,820 to really to look for hey is there a 861 00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,300 civilization out there using warp drive 862 00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:35,880 are they zooming around the stars with 863 00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,060 the warp drive spacecraft and if so they 864 00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,820 feel like they're going to pick them up 865 00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,400 yeah I think that's fascinating and that 866 00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:46,140 that's the way I thought of it was the 867 00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:47,940 the wake of a boat you know the Ripples 868 00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,859 and the water is that's what we're going 869 00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,420 to be able to actually pick up now from 870 00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,460 these craft it's like we have you know 871 00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,900 Jurassic Park when they've got the water 872 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,640 to pick up the T-Rex we've now got the 873 00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:59,040 cup of water that we didn't have before 874 00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,700 um 875 00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,280 and I wonder though where we've got this 876 00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,440 capability now that we are looking out 877 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,079 into the Milky Way and objects like 878 00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,540 omuamua that may have come past we can 879 00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,700 go in and dig into the the records and 880 00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,740 pick up where their gravitational waves 881 00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:14,880 detected 882 00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,400 how close to home then do you have any 883 00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,859 idea could that technology work and I'm 884 00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,599 thinking if there was a Phoenix Lights 885 00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:24,119 event could you appoint those lasers 886 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,660 over Phoenix and check if there was 887 00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:30,960 gravitational waves left behind I my 888 00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:41,210 if they're looking for the ability of 889 00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:45,359 these two lasers uh but he did say as 890 00:36:50,109 --> 00:36:48,119 close as the moon in one part of our 891 00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,119 conversations which is 892 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:52,980 220 000 miles not that far away at all 893 00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,119 so uh in astronomical terms so 894 00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,540 um you know the space station is 22 000 895 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,700 miles out so it's about uh or you know 896 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,320 I'm sorry the farthest geostationary 897 00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,180 satellite it's a space station is about 898 00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:10,079 220 miles out so about 10 of the way to 899 00:37:13,690 --> 00:37:11,520 the Moon is where our farthest 900 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:13,700 satellites regularly Circle so 901 00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:16,680 astronomically close as far as looking 902 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,359 for something right in the atmosphere 903 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,460 that is a that's a good question that's 904 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:22,920 something I will ask him I I do know 905 00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,320 that he's doing uh he's working on some 906 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:27,960 other features for us as well and uh 907 00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,900 giving me some input on some other 908 00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:33,599 um I mentioned to you there was a very 909 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:37,500 high profile UFO event in Chicago at the 910 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,000 O'Hare Airport back in 2006 and he has 911 00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:44,520 some really interesting thoughts on what 912 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:47,220 people saw there and what 913 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:47,900 what 914 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:50,940 could be a very realistic explanation 915 00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,700 and uh can you summarize though because 916 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,079 some listeners might not be aware of 917 00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,660 what the Chicago Ohio incident is let's 918 00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,300 give us a brief so there was a my 919 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:01,920 understanding of the incident it's not 920 00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:03,960 something I'm super expert on but I've 921 00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,579 discussed it with Micah Hanks to get a 922 00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:07,380 little more tuned up 923 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:11,339 um basically uh people saw out over the 924 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,980 runways they started getting calls up to 925 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,800 the tower saying hey we're seeing 926 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:19,920 something hover over one of the runways 927 00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:22,020 and it was a massive 928 00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,160 disc shaped object that looked like a 929 00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:28,380 you know like a classical bump on the 930 00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:32,960 top uh UFO disc sitting over the runway 931 00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,119 and initial reports were even that there 932 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,480 was a picture taken or pictures taken by 933 00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:42,240 like some uh ground crew that were 934 00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,060 working on around some of the airplanes 935 00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:46,560 that again like a lot of these things 936 00:38:51,069 --> 00:38:48,839 has never surfaced and there's never 937 00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,079 been confirmation of it but 938 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,359 then so people were seeing it they got 939 00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,780 number reports pilot reports crew 940 00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:00,240 reports civilian reports so there was 941 00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:03,300 this kind of sudden are you guys seeing 942 00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,980 that moment 943 00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,680 and then a huge percentage of the 944 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:09,780 reports excuse me 945 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:14,160 said that the the disk object suddenly 946 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:18,900 shot straight up into the sky and like a 947 00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,060 Wiley Coyote running through the wall 948 00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:24,960 left a perfect circular hole in the 949 00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:28,440 dense cloud cover over Chicago and right 950 00:39:34,270 --> 00:39:32,040 where it had shot through so it's again 951 00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:34,280 it's an anecdotal 952 00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:37,619 observation only UFO event there's no 953 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:40,140 radar there's no you know photos or 954 00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:41,640 anything we know of other than the 955 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:44,579 allegations of some photos but 956 00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:48,060 um it was a huge event that had tons of 957 00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:50,820 uh tons of people react to it and had a 958 00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:53,880 lot of witnesses so it wasn't one of 959 00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:56,520 these you know uh two two guys out on a 960 00:40:02,990 --> 00:39:59,099 highway saw something this was over a 961 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,000 big city over a big City airport and a 962 00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:05,760 very defined craft according to uh 963 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,859 people that sought and then yeah it shot 964 00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:09,680 straight up and shot through the clouds 965 00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:13,140 uh almost like the the Calvin object 966 00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:16,260 right without the cloud part yes 967 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,119 uh yeah and it was Daylight as well 968 00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,160 daytime it was like you say loads of 969 00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:22,320 witnesses airport I believe they shut 970 00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:23,880 the runway shut the airport for a short 971 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,339 time so Chris obviously the article is 972 00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:27,839 due to come out have you got a rough 973 00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:29,820 date yet for release yeah I would say 974 00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,619 the end of the month so we're only a 975 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:33,359 couple of weeks away 976 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,180 um but yeah there's I don't want to come 977 00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,220 out and say definitively there's no 978 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,040 evidence on that case but there's a new 979 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,400 analysis of that case uh that may 980 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,680 include some new evidence 981 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:48,960 um that has an an interesting conclusion 982 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:51,660 and again this is from a physics Think 983 00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:54,420 Tank that's that same group uh when I 984 00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:56,420 was working with them on their uh 985 00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,920 gravitational wave and looking for warp 986 00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:01,020 spacecraft he said you know I'd like to 987 00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,820 share something interesting with you uh 988 00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,099 since you guys do cover uaps and UFOs 989 00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:08,640 and uh and by the way something he's 990 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:11,579 very interested in as well so I I tell 991 00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,140 people all the time 992 00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:16,380 this is the Dirty Little Secret uh among 993 00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:18,660 scientists is that uh they're all 994 00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,480 interested in UFOs and they all I mean 995 00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,119 the only time I've ever gotten 996 00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:26,820 resistance on it is people specifically 997 00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,400 like maybe an astrobiologist or two who 998 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,500 their job is they're trying to find 999 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,440 microbes on Mars and they get frustrated 1000 00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,240 when they hear people trying to jump to 1001 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,740 the end of the book and go well what 1002 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,260 about the the alien spacecraft hanging 1003 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:43,440 out by the road so uh that's the only 1004 00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,680 but even astronomers astrophysicists a 1005 00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:49,200 lot of people that work in this area uh 1006 00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:50,820 it's something they're very interested 1007 00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,660 in and so uh yeah he's he's particularly 1008 00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,760 interested in that Chicago O'Hare 1009 00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,760 incident and has told me uh some pretty 1010 00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,160 interesting things about it is providing 1011 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:04,560 me some new information and uh yeah I 1012 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:07,260 would say the last week of January uh 1013 00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:11,160 I'll be putting out a feature about 1014 00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:11,760 um 1015 00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:14,220 some thoughts and some ideas and maybe 1016 00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:16,260 some new evidence regarding the Chicago 1017 00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:19,859 O'Hare UFO incident so and uh it's good 1018 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,859 you know it's not uh it's it's not all 1019 00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,480 right he's looked at it he thinks it was 1020 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:25,980 a weather balloon we'll we'll leave it 1021 00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,320 sure so I mean it could be a weather 1022 00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:30,000 balloon just from a different planet but 1023 00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,740 yeah that goes without saying you know 1024 00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:34,680 yep yep and I tell people all the time 1025 00:42:43,089 --> 00:42:38,460 since you went there uh uh I I do think 1026 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,099 that it's very interesting to note that 1027 00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:46,140 scientists in particular and and people 1028 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,300 that look for this this is where 1029 00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,160 everything is shifted you know Bill 1030 00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,000 Nelson NASA said when asked about UFOs 1031 00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:56,339 he said well this is what we do at Nasa 1032 00:43:03,050 --> 00:42:59,339 we look for alien life so why wouldn't 1033 00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:03,060 we look at UFOs and that's a major shift 1034 00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,859 I tell people all the time I say you 1035 00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:07,440 know when I grew up in the 70s and the 1036 00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,380 80s NASA was a space exploration 1037 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,839 organization there may have been 1038 00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,720 somewhere in the charter there may have 1039 00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,119 been hey if you run into aliens go ahead 1040 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,819 and report it but it wasn't it wasn't 1041 00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:22,800 expressly what they're looking for but 1042 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,579 what they found is that not only is it 1043 00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,079 something The public's more interested 1044 00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,060 in but it's something their scientists 1045 00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:33,119 are more interested in so when they're 1046 00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,579 when the James Webb went up everybody 1047 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,920 didn't go hey great is the James Webb 1048 00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:39,960 Telescope gonna find us some new Crab 1049 00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,240 Nebula or gonna find us uh you know a a 1050 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,400 distant Galaxy no everyone's going hey 1051 00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,380 is that thing going to spot techno 1052 00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:52,079 signatures or bio signatures around 1053 00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:56,040 another Earth-like planet so that shift 1054 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,119 is is real that shift is tangible NASA 1055 00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,400 and and the European European space 1056 00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:05,640 agency and groups like that there is a 1057 00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:09,780 massive internal shift towards hey let's 1058 00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:13,380 look for alien life because it seems so 1059 00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:16,740 far-fetched even in the 70s 80s 1060 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,380 before the first exoplanets were found 1061 00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:21,720 and I tell people all the time there was 1062 00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:24,780 a you know I was 26 years old when the 1063 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:27,720 first exoplanet was discovered and I was 1064 00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,900 past my college education and during 1065 00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:33,240 that time taking astronomy classes at 1066 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,359 UCLA I had professors that were a 1067 00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,400 hundred percent sure there would be no 1068 00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,099 planets around other stars that our 1069 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,680 solar system was and these are highly 1070 00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,660 credentialed UCLA is not an easy school 1071 00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:48,180 to get into much less get a job teaching 1072 00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:49,800 it and they were sure of it they were 1073 00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,500 like don't even fantasize about that it 1074 00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,300 doesn't exist and then I had other 1075 00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:56,819 professors that would say even if they 1076 00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:59,339 do exist we're not going to find a rocky 1077 00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,900 planets like Earth they're probably 1078 00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,200 extremely rare they're not going to be 1079 00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:06,240 uh the size of Earth and they're not 1080 00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,579 going to be in the habitable zone where 1081 00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:10,380 they could have water on the surface 1082 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,300 which is the right distance from the the 1083 00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:14,700 their hosts star to have water well 1084 00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:16,619 guess what that's what we find all the 1085 00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:18,839 time time now I would literally put out 1086 00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,319 an article today about another Earth 1087 00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,020 size that is about 95 percent the size 1088 00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:27,839 of Earth rocky planet around a cool 1089 00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:30,599 mdorf star about a hundred light years 1090 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,480 away that's in the habitable zone and 1091 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,880 guess what there's three other planets 1092 00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,380 in that system 1093 00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,900 at least two of them are rocky planets 1094 00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,480 and at least one of those which is about 1095 00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:45,359 90 percent the size of Earth is in the 1096 00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,200 habitable zone so just the idea of 1097 00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,660 looking for Life on Mars looking for 1098 00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,940 Life In The Clouds of Venus but much 1099 00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,740 further looking for intelligent life 1100 00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,260 looking for societies on other planets 1101 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,200 and technological societies is just 1102 00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,040 something that a strong modern day 1103 00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:06,960 scientists take for granted they are 1104 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:11,040 just actively now looking for that so it 1105 00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:14,520 seems so far-fetched even 20 30 40 years 1106 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:17,339 ago and now it's just something that 1107 00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,660 they're like oh no that's what we do 1108 00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,400 it's Bill Nielsen said oh that's what 1109 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,440 NASA does why wouldn't we look for life 1110 00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,380 well that wasn't what NASA was doing in 1111 00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:27,480 the 70s and 80s when I was growing up 1112 00:46:33,710 --> 00:46:31,079 and they were particularly resistant to 1113 00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:33,720 talking about life on other planets now 1114 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,940 they employ 1115 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:37,920 astrobiologists people whose job it is 1116 00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:40,140 to look at environments on other planets 1117 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:41,819 and say would this be a good place for 1118 00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,180 life at least as we know it you know so 1119 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:47,940 that's something massive massive shift 1120 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:50,660 and again it doesn't get into 1121 00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,980 trans-dimensional or time travel or some 1122 00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,780 of the other or Fantastical theories 1123 00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,400 that people are excited about for 1124 00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,339 possible explanation to UFOs none of 1125 00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:01,800 which I completely dismiss but I do 1126 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,920 think it's it's important to note that 1127 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:06,480 when they were talking about flying 1128 00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,079 saucers from another planet in 1947 they 1129 00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:11,520 didn't know there were other planets 1130 00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,780 they didn't know they would be earth 1131 00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:14,940 size or in the habitable zone and they 1132 00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,960 didn't know that they would be 1133 00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,520 everywhere everywhere we point 1134 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:20,400 telescopes to look for planets we find 1135 00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,540 them 1136 00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:24,420 I wonder if some of these these 1137 00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,280 scientists and the changes in in the 1138 00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:28,380 viewers these were kids who were brought 1139 00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:30,599 up on the Star Trek series in the 60s 1140 00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:33,839 the 70s the Star Wars movies and now 1141 00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:35,640 we're getting the benefits of kids whose 1142 00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,380 maybe imaginations were sparked and 1143 00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,140 inspired by exploring planets on the 1144 00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:42,599 Enterprise and you know William Shatner 1145 00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,760 and Patrick Stewart and these guys that 1146 00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:46,680 they grew up with so they've taken that 1147 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,579 into their adulthood that's that's 1148 00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:52,800 no more statement you have said has ever 1149 00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,619 been more true than that day that we 1150 00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:58,140 have an entire generation of scientists 1151 00:48:03,069 --> 00:48:00,119 or now multiple generations of 1152 00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,079 scientists who were raised on 1153 00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:05,819 forward-looking science fiction and who 1154 00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,800 are looking at it and I report on it 1155 00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:10,200 every day we're building laser beam 1156 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,560 weapons we're building uh you know uh 1157 00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:16,920 all kinds of tractor beams all kinds of 1158 00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,540 stuff that you saw in science fiction 1159 00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,599 that would directly inspired researchers 1160 00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:23,640 that have directly inspired researchers 1161 00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:26,579 to say hey can we make a warp drive not 1162 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,200 because it was something they sat around 1163 00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:30,180 thinking about on their own but because 1164 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,859 they were watching Star Trek and went 1165 00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:33,599 hey warp drive I wonder if we could 1166 00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:36,060 build that a transporter I wonder if we 1167 00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,260 could build that 1168 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,420 if there's Research into traveling by 1169 00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:41,760 wormles I guarantee people that research 1170 00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,280 traveling by wormholes watch Stargate 1171 00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:46,079 whether they admit it or not right 1172 00:48:48,589 --> 00:48:47,460 because people are traveling by 1173 00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,599 wormholes 1174 00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,579 so we have 1175 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,859 more scientists than we've ever had just 1176 00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,480 by the sheer size of the Earth's 1177 00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:57,599 population we have a much broader base 1178 00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,420 of people because of diversity now in 1179 00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,700 those sort of stem programs so we have 1180 00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:06,240 just a whole wider range of perspectives 1181 00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:08,940 it's not just nerdy white guys with 1182 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:13,220 calculators and glasses and we have 1183 00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,400 so many more tools and data and every 1184 00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,040 time we find more information 1185 00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:23,040 it seems to increase the chances for 1186 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,900 life not decrease it we find more 1187 00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:27,599 planets more habitable zone planets we 1188 00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:30,420 found extremophiles here on Earth life 1189 00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:33,000 forms that live without sunlight or in 1190 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,359 extreme environments so the the science 1191 00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,640 and the the body of human knowledge 1192 00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:41,640 scientifically continues to grow towards 1193 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,579 Earth is not extraordinary in this sense 1194 00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:47,220 but Earth is ordinary I always tell 1195 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,660 people I think it's funny that 1196 00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:51,660 scientists aren't more embracing of UFOs 1197 00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:54,839 or the idea of alien either craft or 1198 00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,839 probes coming here because that would be 1199 00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,760 consistent with the materialist point of 1200 00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:02,220 view you know the the magical thinking 1201 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:04,440 point of view would say oh no Earth is 1202 00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,420 the only place with life because God 1203 00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:08,339 made us the center of the universe and 1204 00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:10,859 there's nothing like this anywhere the 1205 00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,900 materialist view which most scientists 1206 00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,480 the God is dead view would be exactly 1207 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,940 the yeah there should be life everywhere 1208 00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:20,640 because the same elements the Earth are 1209 00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:23,579 made of are everywhere we spot 1210 00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,760 uh water around planets and the 1211 00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,740 atmospheres of planets all the time we 1212 00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,960 spot carbon dioxide it's all made of the 1213 00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,000 same stuff I tell people all the time 1214 00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:35,400 imagine you lived in a garden and there 1215 00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:37,560 were plants all around you and you found 1216 00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,780 out there are Gardens everywhere what 1217 00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,579 are the odds that none of those Gardens 1218 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,500 have plants they have the same dirt they 1219 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:45,180 have the same water they have the same 1220 00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:46,740 sunlight 1221 00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:51,119 so the idea that life is not only common 1222 00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:54,200 in the cosmos but but potentially 1223 00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:56,579 prevalent potentially at a very high 1224 00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:00,660 rate and that it is uh you know on the 1225 00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:03,059 grand scheme of time if we're just 1226 00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:05,400 you know launched into space really in 1227 00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:07,140 my lifetime I tell people all the time 1228 00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:10,740 we we walked on the moon 26 days after I 1229 00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:13,319 was born and I'm not that old you know 1230 00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:16,619 I'm 53 I'm not ancient yet and so just 1231 00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,079 in my lifetime we've seen so much 1232 00:51:24,829 --> 00:51:21,359 progress are we to believe that if the 1233 00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:24,839 cosmos is 13.8 billion years old and 1234 00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:29,220 we're 4.4 or whatever we are that in the 1235 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:32,040 9 billion years leading up to Earth that 1236 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,140 societies maybe haven't even come and 1237 00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:36,900 gone I mean when when George Lucas said 1238 00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,660 a long time ago in a galaxy far far away 1239 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,700 I think that's something people people 1240 00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:43,500 would think about now it wouldn't seem 1241 00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,619 Fantastical at all to go societies may 1242 00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:48,119 have come and gone billions of times 1243 00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,020 across the cosmos much less exists with 1244 00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,380 us concurrently or contemporaneously or 1245 00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,480 much less send probes here to see what 1246 00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,400 we're doing or maybe even fly here if 1247 00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:01,200 they have the ability to exceed the the 1248 00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,540 speed of light 1249 00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,980 one more thing I want to mention on the 1250 00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:06,720 Chicago hair incident that really 1251 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:09,540 interests me and why this event still 1252 00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,140 excites me it's not a Roswell which I've 1253 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:15,359 said many times the the people involved 1254 00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,160 have passed on their grandchildren have 1255 00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,680 passed on the the records will be few 1256 00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,359 and far between the technology was 1257 00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:23,760 minimal for the time as well and it's 1258 00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,079 really one of those that's being 1259 00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,180 anecdotal and consigned to history until 1260 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760 such time we find out the truth and and 1261 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:31,440 our government comes out and says here's 1262 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,980 the documents Chicago here was 2005. 1263 00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:37,920 that's not long ago we had I'm right in 1264 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:41,819 2005 yeah I think 2006 2006. it's within 1265 00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:44,760 you know the last 20 years and the 1266 00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,220 technology was good the satellites would 1267 00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:49,140 have been good the the radar would have 1268 00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,300 been good the the military technology 1269 00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,559 that would be protecting the United 1270 00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,119 States would be good 1271 00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,700 and would it have taken much at the time 1272 00:53:01,010 --> 00:52:58,920 or even now to go back and say on this 1273 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:01,020 date at this time what do we have for 1274 00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:02,760 the Chicago area what did we pick up 1275 00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,380 entering the atmosphere what did we pick 1276 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,300 up leaving you know that's something 1277 00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,760 that I'm sure at the time and on the day 1278 00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:11,700 there would be decent evidence for 1279 00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,280 and to bring It full circle to the new 1280 00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:17,400 report that came out today the aaro 1281 00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,800 report I think that's what people are 1282 00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:22,319 looking for I think that's what we want 1283 00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:24,119 to see we want to see them say okay 1284 00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,300 we've looked at Chicago in 2006 or or 1285 00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,180 the Nimitz incident in 2004 and we've 1286 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,680 reached out to the Air Force and said 1287 00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,300 what satellites did you have pointed in 1288 00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,160 that area and we reached out to other 1289 00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,740 organizations and so what sensor systems 1290 00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:39,839 did you have looking at that area and 1291 00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,599 what did you see there and Chicago is a 1292 00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:45,000 perfect example because it's smack dab 1293 00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,440 in the middle of the continental United 1294 00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:48,300 States and the you know in the in the 1295 00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,059 Midwest and is somewhere where we should 1296 00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:53,460 have tons of coverage from weather 1297 00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,339 satellites to military satellites to 1298 00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,800 sensor systems on the ground to aerial 1299 00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:01,920 platforms flying around a-wax systems 1300 00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,500 things like that radar sonar and and 1301 00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,359 things we as we pointed out that we 1302 00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:08,760 don't know about there should be data 1303 00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:11,640 there should be the ability by an AAR 1304 00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,520 Pro to go back to an incident like that 1305 00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,859 and say all right we've narrowed it down 1306 00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:18,480 to this date and this time in this 1307 00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,819 location start reaching out to 1308 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,680 organizations and saying what do you 1309 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,200 have do you have anything from that date 1310 00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:27,300 and that type maybe a weather satellite 1311 00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,940 picked up some weird 1312 00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,140 electromagnetic anomaly there at the 1313 00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,000 time and it points towards it was an 1314 00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,339 atmospheric event or 1315 00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,800 who knows it doesn't have to you know 1316 00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:39,780 this is where we get into this military 1317 00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:41,819 secrecy issue and gets people so 1318 00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,280 frustrated because it feels like it's 1319 00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,040 something we should be very very easily 1320 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,559 able to do we should be able to go back 1321 00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:51,839 pick a date and time and say what do we 1322 00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,599 have on file electronically what was 1323 00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,640 recorded at that date and that time in 1324 00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,040 that location from all these different 1325 00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,680 organizations that have observations in 1326 00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,880 that area 1327 00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:04,740 well Chris just before we finish up I've 1328 00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:06,119 got a couple more things I just want to 1329 00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:08,339 touch on one of the listeners Ryan he 1330 00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:09,660 asks if you've got any thoughts on 1331 00:55:14,569 --> 00:55:12,599 neuralink founded by Elon Musk and what 1332 00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,579 made me think this was particularly 1333 00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,319 relevant one you're obviously a science 1334 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:18,960 guy in technology but Danny Sheehan's 1335 00:55:22,730 --> 00:55:20,700 comments on Coast to Coast about their 1336 00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,740 potentially having been a helmet 1337 00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,740 recovered in a crash retrieval that 1338 00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:28,680 helped telepathically pilot one of these 1339 00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:30,059 Craft 1340 00:55:35,089 --> 00:55:31,740 um and that's the kind of technology 1341 00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:35,099 that 10 15 20 years ago would have 1342 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,319 sounded like still science fiction but 1343 00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:39,599 we're getting close to actually having 1344 00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:42,180 that sort of tech aren't we oh you know 1345 00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:44,339 I just wrote an article a few months ago 1346 00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,380 you know neurolink is evasive it's 1347 00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,880 something that they jammed the probe 1348 00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:49,920 down into your brain right but I was 1349 00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:52,020 writing about uh this group that 1350 00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,460 developed a helmet to let uh tetraplegic 1351 00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:58,140 so people that really can't even move 1352 00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:00,059 their shoulders or most of their neck or 1353 00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:02,819 anything but they can think about it 1354 00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:05,400 they put a helmet on them connect the 1355 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:08,099 thing to their wheelchair use some 1356 00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,720 artificial intelligence software and 1357 00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,579 there's actually video on the debrief's 1358 00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,680 YouTube channel you can see this guy 1359 00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:16,319 it's from his point of view but he's 1360 00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:19,079 driving through an obstacle course his 1361 00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:22,380 wheelchair using his brain and that's 1362 00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:25,619 just again an external helmet not a not 1363 00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:27,540 a probe stuck down into your brain like 1364 00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:29,220 Elon Musk is doing 1365 00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:31,500 I think it's historically significant 1366 00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:33,960 you know uh there's a Clint Eastwood 1367 00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:35,700 movie from the 80s I can't remember the 1368 00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:38,940 name of it but he's flying a Russian air 1369 00:56:43,849 --> 00:56:40,980 airfighter airplane that has been 1370 00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:43,859 designed to you be controlled that way 1371 00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:46,859 he has a helmet on and he's flying the 1372 00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:48,660 plane and you control it with your 1373 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:49,559 thoughts 1374 00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:51,720 that became 1375 00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,220 part of UFO lore when uh Colonel Corso 1376 00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,079 Philip Corso put out the book The Day 1377 00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:00,119 After Roswell and they talked about 1378 00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,980 something about that about potentially 1379 00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:03,839 this like strap they would wear around 1380 00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:07,559 their head and use it to control the the 1381 00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,660 spaceship I guess control the sauce or 1382 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,760 whatever may or may not have crashed 1383 00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,960 there 1384 00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,940 so yeah I think we went from again 1385 00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:17,280 something that appeared in science 1386 00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:19,079 fiction appeared as like oh that's a 1387 00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,300 cool idea to 1388 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,640 you know I I have doubts on Corso's 1389 00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,260 claims but nonetheless was something 1390 00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:27,119 that was being talked about even 30 1391 00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,400 years ago and now is something we're 1392 00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,880 doing something that Elon Musk has uh 1393 00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:34,859 monkeys playing pong with the neural 1394 00:57:40,849 --> 00:57:37,020 link I we have that video on the on the 1395 00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:40,859 YouTube as well so I not only do I think 1396 00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:44,880 it's uh do I think that the the we have 1397 00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:47,339 a crash saucer that they had a helmet 1398 00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,780 and that's what they were using or a 1399 00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:50,640 crash ship I don't know how it you know 1400 00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:52,800 I have no idea but I can tell you that 1401 00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:56,220 again it's a a technology associated 1402 00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,240 with the Mythos of UFOs that is real it 1403 00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:02,040 is something that we are working on now 1404 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:05,180 I wrote about Johns Hopkins University 1405 00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:11,280 uh a year ago uh they uh they used uh 1406 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,319 they connected a guy to like a neuralink 1407 00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,480 type device again he had no movement of 1408 00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:17,640 his arms or legs and he was able to 1409 00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:21,359 control robotic arms pick up a knife 1410 00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:23,940 put a Twinkie on a plate cut a piece of 1411 00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:26,760 it off stick the fork into it and put 1412 00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,619 the twinkie in his mouth and for this 1413 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,680 guy it was a transformative event he 1414 00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,900 hadn't been able to feed himself in 30 1415 00:58:38,349 --> 00:58:35,940 years or something the buzz the the 1416 00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:38,359 patient and all of a sudden hearing was 1417 00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,980 controlling robotic arms to do it 1418 00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:42,240 through software and through an 1419 00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:44,520 interface so yeah I think 1420 00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,880 whether or not it's something that you 1421 00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:49,680 know it could be something she and again 1422 00:58:54,109 --> 00:58:52,260 like I say it was a in a movie in the in 1423 00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:54,119 the 70s or 80s the Clint Eastwood movie 1424 00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:56,220 was it was part of the Lord because of 1425 00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,819 uh Corso so whether she is just picking 1426 00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,740 through the lore and saying hey here's 1427 00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:04,079 something that cool that could exist I 1428 00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:06,780 don't know but if it did exist it would 1429 00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:08,280 be consistent with the way we understand 1430 00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,619 science and the way we understand brain 1431 00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,900 signals that you can interpret brain 1432 00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:15,119 signals and uh in the case the guy 1433 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:17,220 driving the wheelchair if you want to 1434 00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:18,540 turn left he would just think about 1435 00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,520 moving his left arm and since his left 1436 00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,079 arm doesn't move 1437 00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:24,780 the chair would go left right and same 1438 00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:27,420 with his right arm or whatever so uh 1439 00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:29,220 yeah it's technologically viable and 1440 00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,140 something we're working on now 1441 00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:33,359 it makes me think that Elon Musk really 1442 00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,099 doesn't help himself does anyway you've 1443 00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:37,980 got these organizations have how to play 1444 00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:39,660 Jake's tetraplegics and people with 1445 00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:42,359 disabilities helping themselves and have 1446 00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,040 these experiences that we take for 1447 00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:46,440 granted and Elon musk's got chimps 1448 00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:48,540 playing Punk so you know sometimes 1449 00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:49,980 you've got to just take a look at that 1450 00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:51,780 Elon and you know are you doing the 1451 00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:52,859 right thing 1452 00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:54,660 um one thing I want to know before we 1453 00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:56,099 head off Chris you've been great with 1454 01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,660 your time and things changed so last 1455 01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:02,270 or whether any articles you are trying 1456 01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,099 to write in 2022 or leads you are 1457 01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,440 chasing for exciting stories that just 1458 01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:09,599 never quite came to fruition 1459 01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:11,880 yeah 1460 01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,220 um so we get a lot of leads you know one 1461 01:00:19,210 --> 01:00:16,799 of the unique things about being at the 1462 01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:19,220 debrief in the position we're in is 1463 01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:22,619 scientists send me things engineers send 1464 01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:25,799 me things UFO curious people send me 1465 01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:28,799 things and uh as well as to the the main 1466 01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:31,140 debrief account and sometimes we get 1467 01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:35,520 leads on video or UFO phone or something 1468 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,520 like that or again like a a new piece of 1469 01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:40,260 technology that's being developed 1470 01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:43,740 secretly or something like that and it 1471 01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:46,440 doesn't pan out so 1472 01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:48,540 um I'm trying to think if I have a great 1473 01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,540 example of something you know or uh 1474 01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:54,480 sometimes you know we did a report in 1475 01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:57,299 May on uh we call it the border patrol 1476 01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,099 Bob story because that was the guy's 1477 01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,160 name but it was basically saying that 1478 01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:04,440 the people who work the borders in the 1479 01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:07,740 U.S the border patrol are seeing UFOs 1480 01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:09,260 they're seeing UAP 1481 01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,660 yeah yeah and they're they're heard a 1482 01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:14,460 number of reports in there of different 1483 01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:16,980 incidents and different witness claims 1484 01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:18,119 and stuff 1485 01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:20,220 but it had a really crappy piece of 1486 01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:21,660 video to go with it that was probably 1487 01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,780 just some birds right so being the UFO 1488 01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:27,540 Community everybody focused on the birds 1489 01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:30,119 and maybe lost sight of the fact that 1490 01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:32,760 not only is the Navy reporting they're 1491 01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:34,380 seeing things which is kind of what has 1492 01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:35,880 spurred everything in the last few years 1493 01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:38,940 to really gain steam but the the the 1494 01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:41,160 border patrol working with military 1495 01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:43,260 planes working with National Guard 1496 01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:44,339 planes 1497 01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:46,920 using these Advanced radar systems and 1498 01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,020 advanced techn you know data Gathering 1499 01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,599 systems are seeing things that they 1500 01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:53,760 can't explain that as border patrol Bob 1501 01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:56,339 told us he says I that's what I've been 1502 01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:57,780 doing for 30 years I've been looking at 1503 01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:00,180 this stuff through Radars and and uh 1504 01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:02,940 through cameras on these planes and I'm 1505 01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:05,220 seeing things that I go I don't know 1506 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:08,520 what that is and I can't explain it so 1507 01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:11,040 sometimes we get a story that that we 1508 01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:13,619 feel is significant but if there's video 1509 01:02:17,809 --> 01:02:15,420 or a photo or something associated with 1510 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,819 it that's completely underwhelming uh 1511 01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:20,640 maybe we lose the story there so that's 1512 01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,980 probably if I had a frustrating one from 1513 01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:24,720 this last year 1514 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,079 I will say I have a story I've been 1515 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,760 chasing down 1516 01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:31,680 for over a year 1517 01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:34,680 about a mainstream researcher who works 1518 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:36,540 in nuclear fusion 1519 01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:41,280 um who in their high energy experiments 1520 01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,740 had some what he described to me as 1521 01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:46,079 interesting results when it came to 1522 01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:48,119 modifying gravity 1523 01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:49,500 and I said are you talking about 1524 01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:51,900 anti-gravity and he says yeah so we're 1525 01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,140 kind of loathed to use that term but we 1526 01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:57,000 have some interesting results and I said 1527 01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:58,380 well can you give me an example and he 1528 01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,400 says well we have video where we're 1529 01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:04,980 floating ping pong balls and floating 1530 01:03:09,849 --> 01:03:07,319 pieces of what and again like a main 1531 01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:09,859 main main mainstream college professor 1532 01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,599 scientist working on a big Grant who 1533 01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,359 works with NASA on nuclear fusion but 1534 01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:17,520 they work with really really ultra high 1535 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,020 energy equipment 1536 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,599 so because of that 1537 01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,640 they may have observed some interesting 1538 01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:26,280 things when it relates to gravity so 1539 01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:28,680 they've been because it wasn't part of 1540 01:03:31,849 --> 01:03:30,420 what they were doing with their research 1541 01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,859 and this is kind of what happened with 1542 01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:33,839 sunny white with the word bubble story I 1543 01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,119 put out a year ago because it was 1544 01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:38,220 something discovered while they were 1545 01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:40,920 working on other research they can't 1546 01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:43,799 quite make the stuff public yet so I 1547 01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:45,960 have yet to seen these videos he claims 1548 01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,880 to have but it's a really straight 1549 01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:49,680 shooter it's not the type of guy that 1550 01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:51,420 gets on the phone and makes something up 1551 01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:53,460 yeah the type of guy was interviewing 1552 01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:55,140 for a whole other story about his 1553 01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:58,200 nuclear stuff and at the end of the 1554 01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,819 interview he says hey can you turn off 1555 01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:02,400 the microphone and I said sure and he 1556 01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,720 says I got something really cool to tell 1557 01:04:07,789 --> 01:04:05,280 you about that'll be a story for you 1558 01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,799 guys in in the next few months 1559 01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:09,839 well that was over a year ago when he 1560 01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,680 told me about that and I know that 1561 01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:15,839 he's somebody I've talked to for other 1562 01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:18,180 stories since and we've talked to and 1563 01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,520 I'm still getting the yeah you will get 1564 01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:22,740 it at some point I'll be able to release 1565 01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,380 that to you at some point we will be 1566 01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:27,960 doing a paper on it at some point 1567 01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,720 but he won't give me anything more so 1568 01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:33,000 that's exciting yeah when I hear 1569 01:04:37,789 --> 01:04:35,640 something like that and I go you know 1570 01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:37,799 what are the implications of that high 1571 01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:40,980 energy manipulating gravity that starts 1572 01:04:46,609 --> 01:04:43,980 really getting into the or maybe some 1573 01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:46,619 UFOs are black projects and maybe people 1574 01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,500 in the power situations are keeping you 1575 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,240 know maybe he's not allowed to talk 1576 01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:53,520 about it or or maybe it's something that 1577 01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,040 has been stumbled on before or or maybe 1578 01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:58,079 it is brand new maybe he has stumbled 1579 01:05:02,809 --> 01:04:59,880 onto something that hasn't been stumbled 1580 01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:02,819 on before but his team so I would say 1581 01:05:08,329 --> 01:05:05,160 that's the biggest carrot story I still 1582 01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:08,339 haven't I that I'm chasing that 1583 01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:11,880 there will be a point this year that if 1584 01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,980 I don't get it from him I will probably 1585 01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:15,839 just write the story and I will probably 1586 01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,540 say this is what I was told this is what 1587 01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,520 I've heard and at this point he's 1588 01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:22,140 unwilling to you know where I can't get 1589 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:24,660 information or video so there there will 1590 01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:26,760 be a point where I out this person and 1591 01:05:30,589 --> 01:05:28,260 who they are and the projects they're 1592 01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:30,599 working on and uh I'll let the public 1593 01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:33,180 decide but yeah and uh that's probably 1594 01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:34,680 the biggest carrot I've been chasing 1595 01:05:40,849 --> 01:05:37,319 that hasn't turned into a real story yet 1596 01:05:42,589 --> 01:05:40,859 When you mention the the videos from 1597 01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:42,599 back in May that like you say were 1598 01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:44,099 potentially more than likely going to be 1599 01:05:49,010 --> 01:05:46,619 Birds but the actual bigger story 1600 01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,020 was that they are seeing UAP on these 1601 01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,119 border patrols or UFOs on these border 1602 01:05:55,069 --> 01:05:53,520 patrols it makes me think Phil Circle 1603 01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:55,079 back to the report being released today 1604 01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:57,240 that sometimes in the subject less can 1605 01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,839 be more because imagine we never knew 1606 01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,400 about these reports imagine we never 1607 01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:04,859 knew about the task force Arrow the dod 1608 01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:06,900 involvement the last couple of years and 1609 01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:08,940 imagine today that the debrief breaks a 1610 01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:10,680 story that there have been a couple of 1611 01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,720 reports out in the last few years we get 1612 01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:14,760 the reports as they've been released but 1613 01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:16,380 we had never seen them never heard of 1614 01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,280 them 1615 01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:19,740 the story would be huge oh the dods 1616 01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:21,299 investigating new Air Force look at the 1617 01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:23,339 people involved there's case numbers 1618 01:06:27,950 --> 01:06:25,740 Pilots are reporting stuff that would be 1619 01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,960 huge excitement and I think this comes 1620 01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:30,180 back to what I think we are spoiled for 1621 01:06:35,210 --> 01:06:33,180 what we do get people absolutely are 1622 01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:35,220 entitled to and should expect more and 1623 01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,079 want more that's the whole the whole 1624 01:06:41,329 --> 01:06:39,240 Drive of the UFO subject and the story 1625 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:41,339 and the myth and the love of it 1626 01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:43,260 but again I've always said if you take a 1627 01:06:46,849 --> 01:06:44,579 step back and look at the bigger 1628 01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:46,859 timeline of History we're living in an 1629 01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:49,380 age where if you put pinpoints on the 1630 01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:51,240 years and months of when things actually 1631 01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:53,700 happened in the UFO topic it'd be so 1632 01:06:58,970 --> 01:06:56,039 sparse for decades and you would hit 1633 01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:58,980 2017 2018 and it's just bang bang bang 1634 01:07:02,089 --> 01:06:59,839 bang bang bang 1635 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:02,099 sure some of it turns out to be a bit of 1636 01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,260 a dance squib but I think we're living 1637 01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,940 in a far more exciting time than people 1638 01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:07,440 maybe give it credit for at the minute 1639 01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,780 and maybe in the fullness of time these 1640 01:07:14,329 --> 01:07:12,000 reports will be a bit more interesting 1641 01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:14,339 or or newsworthy than they maybe are at 1642 01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,980 the moment I I couldn't agree more Andy 1643 01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,780 I tell people this all the time is that 1644 01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,880 I started following the UFO subject in 1645 01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,280 1977 when I had my own witness 1646 01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:25,200 experience and I would just before my 1647 01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:27,480 eighth birthday and ironically a few 1648 01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:29,700 months before Close Encounters and Star 1649 01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:33,599 Wars hit the theaters so uh 1650 01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,220 I it's been something I've been 1651 01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,380 following forever and we would go 1652 01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:40,200 decades with nothing or if you got 1653 01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:42,780 something it was Bob Lazar and it seemed 1654 01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,819 real and then you dug into it went uh 1655 01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:46,319 maybe this you know at least for my 1656 01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,780 opinion didn't really turn out to be 1657 01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,940 anything there and the same thing like 1658 01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,559 the Corso book you know day after 1659 01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,420 Roswell that would come out and be like 1660 01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,339 oh my God we have a whistleblower we 1661 01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,380 have new information and then it would 1662 01:08:01,730 --> 01:08:00,000 fizzle away 1663 01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,740 the things that have happened in the 1664 01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:03,780 last five years plus a little over five 1665 01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,900 years now and the momentum 1666 01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:08,940 you know I I tell people this all the 1667 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,400 time we've been dreaming about NASA 1668 01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:13,380 jumping in on this and putting their hat 1669 01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:15,539 in the ring and looking for UFOs we've 1670 01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,640 been dreaming about a guy like avilo but 1671 01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:19,739 professor at Harvard jumping in on this 1672 01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,600 we've been dreaming about all these 1673 01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:23,279 things we've been dreaming about you 1674 01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,080 know hey ever since Project Blue Book 1675 01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:27,839 ended in 1969 again the year I was born 1676 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,839 we went 50 years without the military at 1677 01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:32,880 least openly acknowledging and stunning 1678 01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,940 this and and maybe you know if the 1679 01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:38,400 criticisms of Elizondo were right maybe 1680 01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:40,500 it was just a portfolio he carried 1681 01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,600 around and it was a subset of off Swap 1682 01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,520 and so maybe there really wasn't that 1683 01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:47,520 much going on but whatever that is it's 1684 01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:50,699 led to this now this is real the arrow 1685 01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:53,400 is a real organization within the dod 1686 01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,040 who's actively talking to all these 1687 01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:58,319 different organizations saying give us 1688 01:09:02,209 --> 01:09:00,600 your reports give us your data we're 1689 01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:02,219 going to try and make heads or tails the 1690 01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:04,259 hit this whole thing so what has 1691 01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,940 happened in the last few years in the 1692 01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:07,440 last couple of years 1693 01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:10,259 I mean Ryan Graves is running this whole 1694 01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:12,839 group for the aiaa that's about Aviation 1695 01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:15,540 safety in UFOs and they're doing their 1696 01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:18,299 own efforts now the FAA is working on 1697 01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,819 ways for people to report that we may 1698 01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:23,520 have whistleblower legislation in place 1699 01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,259 now I mean 1700 01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:26,719 it's 1701 01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,580 anyone as you point out any one of these 1702 01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:31,500 would have been would have carried us 1703 01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,060 for years would have carried people that 1704 01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:34,799 were curious about UFOs and wanted to 1705 01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:36,120 know what was going on and what people 1706 01:09:39,070 --> 01:09:37,799 like me were seeing in the sky that we 1707 01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:39,080 couldn't explain 1708 01:09:46,090 --> 01:09:43,259 uh any one of these so uh yes I think we 1709 01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:46,100 get overloaded with tons of great stuff 1710 01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:49,799 but none of it given us exactly that one 1711 01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:51,719 magic thing we want which is an answer 1712 01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:54,179 even if the answer is uh it's secret 1713 01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:56,100 Tech that the US and the UK have been 1714 01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:58,020 working on together since before Calvin 1715 01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,940 and they just didn't want to let anyone 1716 01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,199 know because we haven't faced an 1717 01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,360 existential War since World War II so 1718 01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:05,040 we've just kind of been keeping this 1719 01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:06,780 secret weapon in the back pocket since 1720 01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:09,420 the late 40s and developing whatever the 1721 01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:11,699 or it's atmospheric phenomenon they're 1722 01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:13,620 all hesitolin lights and they just shape 1723 01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,480 themselves like saucers and look like 1724 01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:18,239 crafter shape themselves like a Tic Tac 1725 01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:20,520 and look like a craft but are really 1726 01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:23,219 just some natural occur whatever the 1727 01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:25,500 answer is I think that's the main 1728 01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:28,140 frustration will continue to be we're 1729 01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:30,179 getting more information we're getting 1730 01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,000 more activity we still feel like we're 1731 01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,980 short on answers 1732 01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:37,199 Chris you're never short on an answer 1733 01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:38,640 which is always good when I'm speaking 1734 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:40,380 to you if people have enjoyed listening 1735 01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,880 to this they can check out our previous 1736 01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,440 interview where we're going a bit on 1737 01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:45,600 your background and things as well 1738 01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:47,100 um and obviously all your links will be 1739 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,900 down below we've already covered with 1740 01:10:52,189 --> 01:10:50,400 Chris some of the things he's working on 1741 01:10:54,169 --> 01:10:52,199 and look out for those new articles 1742 01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:54,179 dropping in a couple of weeks time as 1743 01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:56,699 well on Chicago O'Hare Chris always a 1744 01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:58,140 pleasure speaking to you and I look 1745 01:11:01,490 --> 01:10:59,580 forward to doing so again in the near 1746 01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,500 future thanks for having me on Andy it's 1747 01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:02,640 always fun 1748 01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,159 that is all for this 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